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	<title>Comments on: The difference between Microsoft.com and Apple.com</title>
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		<title>By: Aleksandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleksandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people here commenting on bandwidth have obviously no idea what they talking about, especially Carlos. 
&quot;Saving bandwith should not be a matter for big companies.&quot; - when you&#039;re the Top 5 web site in the world, damn well it is a big matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people here commenting on bandwidth have obviously no idea what they talking about, especially Carlos.<br />
&#8220;Saving bandwith should not be a matter for big companies.&#8221; &#8211; when you&#8217;re the Top 5 web site in the world, damn well it is a big matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Artikel und Links - 30th M&#228;rz - 6th April &#124; Florenz Heldermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artikel und Links - 30th M&#228;rz - 6th April &#124; Florenz Heldermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Interesting Articles &#124; Creative Happy, portfolio and blog of Mike Bailey a web designer/developer from Llandudno, North Wales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting Articles &#124; Creative Happy, portfolio and blog of Mike Bailey a web designer/developer from Llandudno, North Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carlos Adrián</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Adrián</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saving bandwith should not be a matter for big companies.

If you&#039;re doing the things well, you use standards, well table-appropriate-use with a little of table-less in web pages, there&#039;s no need to do anything else, you muts tidy your HTML code and not to compress it (that&#039;s my impression) but, it depends on the developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saving bandwith should not be a matter for big companies.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re doing the things well, you use standards, well table-appropriate-use with a little of table-less in web pages, there&#8217;s no need to do anything else, you muts tidy your HTML code and not to compress it (that&#8217;s my impression) but, it depends on the developers.</p>
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		<title>By: dissonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dissonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading through the code for both pages, and reading through the comments listed above, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that this is a very biased argument.

I&#039;m a linux user, so I have no wish to support one or the other.

In Apple&#039;s defense, their code is simple and easy to read. However, it looks like almost all of their code is generated using Javascript, which is HORRIBLE. Have you paid any attention to how many js includes exist in their source? Another thing about this, is that the validator will not pick up on Javascript, so any code generated with it, will not be parsed. In reality, their entire page may be filled with errors, validators are never 100% accurate.

In Microsoft&#039;s defense, most of their website seems to have been developed server-side, meaning that the page is most likely cached, saving on server side, and client side CPU cycles. There is however, more in terms of graphics, text, and code, meaning more bandwidth for the user. Also, the fact that they are starting to use Silverlight more and more, just means more plugins for the end-user to download, and maintain with patches.

Now, in criticism of both companies..

Neither page is without errors. I don&#039;t care if one has less than the other, they BOTH have errors. I&#039;m a web developer, and I always aim for clean code. There is also, always a way to do something correctly. Neither company has taken the care to exercise good design. The w3c validator is also, not a good tool for deciding whether a page will work the way it&#039;s meant to. I&#039;ve written w3c compliant code on many occasions, only to find that it didn&#039;t load or function properly in Safari, or IE. The only true way to evaluate the quality of a webpage, is to do so manually, through observation of the code, load speed, memory usage, and browser compatibility.

From an aesthetic standpoint (being a graphic designer), neither website catches my eye. The apple website has followed the same visual formula for YEARS. They got lucky with one design theme, and they&#039;ve stuck with it since. Microsoft&#039;s site looks plain and boring, and an overuse of one colour is a bad habit (eg: blue, blue and more blue).

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading through the code for both pages, and reading through the comments listed above, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that this is a very biased argument.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a linux user, so I have no wish to support one or the other.</p>
<p>In Apple&#8217;s defense, their code is simple and easy to read. However, it looks like almost all of their code is generated using Javascript, which is HORRIBLE. Have you paid any attention to how many js includes exist in their source? Another thing about this, is that the validator will not pick up on Javascript, so any code generated with it, will not be parsed. In reality, their entire page may be filled with errors, validators are never 100% accurate.</p>
<p>In Microsoft&#8217;s defense, most of their website seems to have been developed server-side, meaning that the page is most likely cached, saving on server side, and client side CPU cycles. There is however, more in terms of graphics, text, and code, meaning more bandwidth for the user. Also, the fact that they are starting to use Silverlight more and more, just means more plugins for the end-user to download, and maintain with patches.</p>
<p>Now, in criticism of both companies..</p>
<p>Neither page is without errors. I don&#8217;t care if one has less than the other, they BOTH have errors. I&#8217;m a web developer, and I always aim for clean code. There is also, always a way to do something correctly. Neither company has taken the care to exercise good design. The w3c validator is also, not a good tool for deciding whether a page will work the way it&#8217;s meant to. I&#8217;ve written w3c compliant code on many occasions, only to find that it didn&#8217;t load or function properly in Safari, or IE. The only true way to evaluate the quality of a webpage, is to do so manually, through observation of the code, load speed, memory usage, and browser compatibility.</p>
<p>From an aesthetic standpoint (being a graphic designer), neither website catches my eye. The apple website has followed the same visual formula for YEARS. They got lucky with one design theme, and they&#8217;ve stuck with it since. Microsoft&#8217;s site looks plain and boring, and an overuse of one colour is a bad habit (eg: blue, blue and more blue).</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Apple wins. @mors, the code is so much better on Apple&#039;s because it was made by people, not machines. Anyway, Apple&#039;s site loads faster than Microsoft, cause it doesn&#039;t have so much crap.

My two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Apple wins. @mors, the code is so much better on Apple&#8217;s because it was made by people, not machines. Anyway, Apple&#8217;s site loads faster than Microsoft, cause it doesn&#8217;t have so much crap.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Overmyer</title>
		<link>http://news.techcastnetwork.co.uk/2009/03/02/the-difference-between-microsoftcom-and-applecom/comment-page-1/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Overmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mors - Aye, Apple&#039;s apparent reliance on JS with no graceful failure could be seen as an error on their part. However, compare Apple&#039;s three errors (no graceful failure of JS, the one single XHTML validation error, and the inline JS) to Microsoft&#039;s wall of failures.

I&#039;m no Apple fanboy (I think the damned things are priced way too highly, and I don&#039;t like not being able to tinker easily with the insides), but in this case, Apple wins hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mors &#8211; Aye, Apple&#8217;s apparent reliance on JS with no graceful failure could be seen as an error on their part. However, compare Apple&#8217;s three errors (no graceful failure of JS, the one single XHTML validation error, and the inline JS) to Microsoft&#8217;s wall of failures.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no Apple fanboy (I think the damned things are priced way too highly, and I don&#8217;t like not being able to tinker easily with the insides), but in this case, Apple wins hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: mors</title>
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		<dc:creator>mors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly most people here don&#039;t know very well what they&#039;re saying.
Microsoft&#039;s code is actually better, because it has no superfluous whitespace, and no inlined scripts. Having a inline script is a bad practice.
Also, apple.com relies too much in scripts and if you have script disabled, some of the functionality at apple.com fails with no fallback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly most people here don&#8217;t know very well what they&#8217;re saying.<br />
Microsoft&#8217;s code is actually better, because it has no superfluous whitespace, and no inlined scripts. Having a inline script is a bad practice.<br />
Also, apple.com relies too much in scripts and if you have script disabled, some of the functionality at apple.com fails with no fallback.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomPixels</title>
		<link>http://news.techcastnetwork.co.uk/2009/03/02/the-difference-between-microsoftcom-and-applecom/comment-page-1/#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>RandomPixels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they call this code technique MS-XHTML-EF (Epic Fail)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they call this code technique MS-XHTML-EF (Epic Fail)</p>
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		<title>By: Zhuoshi</title>
		<link>http://news.techcastnetwork.co.uk/2009/03/02/the-difference-between-microsoftcom-and-applecom/comment-page-1/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhuoshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why Microsoft thinks that we&#039;ll make the effort to read sideways...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why Microsoft thinks that we&#8217;ll make the effort to read sideways&#8230;</p>
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